Taos Engine Oil
Hi all! I had a zero service at 3000k miles at the OD. I brought my own materials, oil Ravenol VSE 0W-20 Why 0W-20? On the market no oil except RAVENOL VSE 0W-20 with the official tolerance VW 50800 / 50900 entirely on PAO and esters with no added hydrocracking. Check out the independent comparative analysis in GERMANY of 0W-20 viscosity oils with official VW 50800 / 50900 tolerance www.ato24.de/de/blog/vergleich-0w-20-motoroel/
Масло с европейским, а не российским допуском. Сейчас пробег уже >6,000k miles and I was thinking about an oil change at 10,000k miles. I decided to check the price of the oil… I was taken aback when the price of oil rose by more than 2000r. I don’t want to change to commercial oils from Ravenol, but I am not satisfied with the price either. After a little deliberation I decided to take at the old price of 10 liters canister. The price of about 8000r But I managed to get out, ordered in SberMarket + promo code + cashback + Tinkoff cashback = 5437₽ for a 10L canister. www.drive2.ru/o/RAVENOLsince1946
But with the rising price of Ravenol I’m afraid I’ll have to give up on such a good oil.
Volkswagen Taos 2021, 1.4L, 150HP gasoline engine, front wheel drive, automatic transmission – consumables
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Gasoline pour 100…, oil with tolerance 508/509 And since when is it possible to pour oil with tolerance 508 Longlife 4 into 1.4 engine? No way! Where does it say that? Yes, they pour it in the 1.5 engine in Europe, but our engine is “outdated” 1.4. In his specification 502/504, sootvetstvuchnost only 0w30, 0w40, 5w30, 5w40, 10w30, 10w40 and viscosity only 0w30 or 5w30. In this engine, oil with a tolerance of 508 pour manufacturer DOES NOT RECOMMEND!
Well go to the German site and look recommendations for Europe, not Russia. You will be surprised. Look, and then all that with a capital letter, change it to small print, well, so as not to look silly.
What is good for the Russian is good for the German… a couple of years ago this question (about the 508 tolerance) was asked to a representative of the Castrol company. So, here is the question and here is the answer… Everybody makes a conclusion himself… The question to the official representative of Castrol
Initial data: I have a car VW Tiguan II with a gasoline engine 2.0 TSI 180 hp (engine CZPA). I choose engine oil for it. I turn, as they say, to the source – the program self-study PPS 645 TFSI engines 1.8 and 2.0 liters EA888 generation 3B. I read: “To further reduce power loss by friction and thereby reduce fuel consumption in the power class 1 engine, a 0W-20 specification engine oil is used according to VW 50800 and VW 50900 tolerances. The new engine oil has the following properties: – It promotes quick injection as it has greater fluidity (lower viscosity). This allows the oil to reach the lubrication points faster. It is also more beneficial to the driver who drives a lot of short distances because there is less engine friction loss (less oil resistance). – A chemical marker has been added to the new oil (greenish shade) so that it can be unambiguously identified in the laboratory. – In addition, this oil can only be used for engines with the appropriate approval. – Due to its lower viscosity, oil pressure builds up more slowly. For this reason, the oil pump in the 2.0-liter TFSI Gen. 3 MLBevo Power Class 1 engine rotates a little faster. In addition, a new check valve has been installed in the oil filter housing.”
Sort of figured it out – requires the latest 0W-20 oil as per VW 50800 tolerance.
Then in the car’s manual on pg. 327 reads: “Since fuel quality sometimes varies greatly in different markets, it is essential to choose the correct engine oil. The use of engine oils conforming to VW504/00, VW 507/00 and VW508.00 presupposes a fuel quality in accordance with EN228 (petrol) and EN 590 (diesel) or a comparable fuel quality. Therefore, motor oils conforming to VW504/00, VW 507/00 and VW508.00 are not suitable for many markets. It turns out that in Russia the fuel quality does not correspond to EN228 and therefore one has to pour the engine oil with the ancient 502 tolerance. I find the standards “Motor fuels. Unleaded petrol. Technical conditions”. These are EH 228-2004 and GOST P 51866-2002 [19.07.17], as well as Lukoil’s Quality Passport for gasoline EKTO-95. I compare the parameters – everything is identical. My personal assumption is as follows: VAG is over-insuring in Russia, afraid of shitty gasoline in our hinterland. But is it fair for big cities, where we fill up our tanks ONLY at branded filling stations? Personally, it seems to me that if I fill up ONLY at a Lukoil branded chain gas station all the time, it makes more sense to pour the newest 0W-20 oil with VW 50800 tolerance. True, Castrol and LM do not sell it in our country. But Mobil is, please, Mobil1 ESP x2 0w-20. PS If it is not difficult, please explain what substances in substandard gasoline and how destructive to engine oil in the engine? After all, in a technically serviceable engine, gasoline should not get into the oil?! Thank you.
Indeed, Norm VW 508 00 / 509 00 engine oil has restrictions in use, both in relation to engine modifications (liter capacity) and to the region of use. The Russian market is not included in the list of which are allowed to use this oil. One of the reasons may be the type of motor fuel sold in the market. In general, as has been repeatedly discussed in this thread, the main consumer properties of gasoline produced in Russia by vertically integrated oil companies are close to the requirements of EN 228. There are some differences in the limiting concentration of aromatics and the limiting hydrocarbons, but they do not represent significant differences. In this case, in an engine in good condition in the volume of engine oil there is always 0.5-1.5% of fuel (penetrates through the gap of cylinder wall – piston ring in unsteady and transient modes), in engines with direct fuel injection (which includes EB888) up to 3-4%. However, products of fuel oxidation are more dangerous. And here we need to keep in mind that at present in Russia there is no GOST for motor gasoline, as an industry standard, such fuel can be produced by TU, the decision is up to the manufacturer. Consequently, it is impossible to exclude the presence on the market of fuels with properties different from those discussed above. It is also impossible to avoid the issue of adulterated grades, fuels with expired shelf life and fuels which were improperly transported or handled. And if lowering the octane number has little effect on the performance of the lubrication system, the high sulfur content, and especially not washed resins, leads to depletion of the alkaline package, increasing the rate of oxidation and the formation of black sludge. In this part, the use of highly alkaline oils (Norm VW 502 00) is more justified. In addition, the main reason for the mass transition to low viscosity compositions is the desire to reduce fuel consumption, and with it the emission of harmful substances into the atmosphere. The flip side may be some reduction of the antiwear performance. It all depends on the market and the accents set. In this case low viscosity oil in hydrodynamic friction modes operates at the carrying capacity limit, and, for example, long operation at idling (traffic jams) and frequent cold starts (winter period) lead to the increase of gasoline concentration in the oil, oil dilution, decrease of its viscosity and carrying capacity. Based on the above I can confirm that our company supports the recommendation of Volkswagen in respect of use in the Russian market, in the first place, motor oils Norm VW 502 00, which determines the absence in the range of motor oils supplied to the Russian market Castrol EDGE Professional LL IV FE 0W-20 (the world’s first oil approved to the specification Norm VW 508 00 / 509 00) and Castrol EDGE 0W-20 LL IV.
All about oil for Volkswagen Taos
Volkswagen Taos has been on the market not so long ago, and in process of covering the mileage the newfound owners of the brainchild of the German-Russian car industry will increasingly face the key question in course of operation: “the oil”. Or precisely, three at once: what, where and when? Let’s try to understand.
There is no official documentation about Taos in open access yet. But, since its units are known from other models of the concern WAG, no special difficulties are expected.
Engines
Taos is equipped with two engine options:
- 1.6 liters – 110 hp;
- 1.4 L – 150 hp.
Both have been in use for years and are well known from the Rapid, Polo, Octavia and other cars.
Timing of replacement
For all VAG family, including Taos, in post-USSR, except for the Baltic states, the standard time with mileage before replacement is 15,000/7,500 km (the second figure for severe conditions, in fact, this is the most common interval). 15,000 is for normal conditions, which are still to be found in the post-USSR.
What to fill in the engine?
From the factory, ie as the original, “oil of the first fill”, the last couple of years the Germans use (for the local market, of course) products company Lukoil. This is due to the transition to a new level in Europe lubricants LongLife (ie with extended intervals, at which the replacement should be done).
In Russia and the CIS due to the lack of super stringent environmental standards similar transition is not economically feasible, here the standards remain the same. In other words, for the replacement can be used any engine oil that has a tolerance of Volkswagen’s 502.00.
Analogs as a replacement option:
How much to pour?
Fill volume for the engine:
Engine oil viscosity
If we approach very simplistically, for hot climates and/or high engine loads, oils should be selected with higher viscosity figures. But in the cold season such oils create a noticeable resistance to friction pair movement, up to the appearance of problems with starting.
Accordingly, the engine will consume fuel to overcome this resistance. In practice for VAG engines choose oils in the viscosity range from 0W-20 to 10W-30, 10W-40.
Transmission oil
In the case of the Taos, the transmission is represented by almost the whole range of gearbox types:
- A manual 5-speed transmission is available for the Taos with the 1.6L engine and front-wheel drive;
- for the Taos with the 1.4L engine and front-wheel drive, there is an 8-speed hydro-mechanical automatic;
- for the Taos with the 1.4L engine and all-wheel drive, there is a 7-speed robot.
Accordingly, the timing of replacement, type and amount of oil in the box in each case will be different.
DSG-7 (DQ381).
This gearbox has been developed on the basis of bigger and more massive DQ500 by removing “superfluous”, reducing and simplifying it. One of the disadvantages for this gearbox was expensive maintenance.
The Germans reacted to the criticism in its own way, simply reducing frequency of oil changes twice, thus bringing inter-service mileage up to 120,000 km. Another thing is that the box is unlikely to be happy about it, so if you plan to operate the car long enough or sell it in more or less “live” condition, it is recommended to use the old interval, 60 000 km.
Transmission oil number for WAG robotized transmissions is G052182A2.
Filling volume is 7.6 liters.
Hydro automatic
With the terms of oil replacement for it the story is even more confusing. Officially it is considered that every 60,000 km it shall be checked the volume and quality of transmission oil. Really it is simply changed, not dancing with tambourine on this occasion.
But in the Japanese sources, where the automatic transmission comes from, there is information about the necessity of partial replacement every 20-30 thousand km. Justification: the box was created by “sealing” of the mechanism, so the width of gears became less, which means that specific loads have increased and the process of oil aging has accelerated.
Here everyone will have to decide and choose the interval of replacement independently, but no unit has ever broken because of fresh oil.
Tolerances and analogues: the article number of the original oil for automatic transmissions-8 G055025A2. But more often the cheaper equivalent Toyota ATF T-IV is used.
Filling volume:
- for full replacement – 7.2 liters;
- For partial replacement – about 5 liters.
Manual transmission
Probably the oldest and most reliable transmission unit out of the options available for Taos. But since recently the manual transmission at WAG began to be positioned in the category of maintenance-free, i.e. not requiring oil changes.
However, the idea of disposable gearboxes consumers are not inspired, so they prefer to do oil changes in the mechanics according to the old regulations, that is after 60 000 km.
Article number of the original product is G052512A2.
Filling volume is 1.9 liters.
However according to the results of operation there is a recommendation to increase the volume to 2.5 – 2.7 liters to prevent accelerated wear and tear when driving frequently at excessively low speeds.
